Pay to Delete Letter Question

Submitted by manniesmommie on Mon, 03/22/2010 - 15:23
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Hi Richard...
The collection agency and myself have agreed on payment terms for paying off a debt. In fact, they agreed to delete the record from my credit report. I requested a pay to delete letter and they said no. How do I ensure that they hold up their part of the agreement. What other recourses do I have?

Tell them no delete letter-- no pay

Who is the original creditor and when did this account become delinquent.

Mon, 03/22/2010 - 22:33 Permalink

Hi Mannie,

You send them a "Pay for Delete" letter through certified mail, requesting a return receipt. They may answer to this letter. You can then use it as the proof of the agreement.

After you pay them the settlement amount, pull a copy of your credit report and check the status of the account. It should be listed as "Paid".

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Aaron

Tue, 03/23/2010 - 06:32 Permalink

Actually Aaron there are states where sending a signed agreement to pay will reset the SOL. eek.

Also a PFD letter that is not on their letterhead and not signed by the CA isn't worth much more than the phone conversation. I am concerned about these guys. I think they may be trying to trick this person.

WHAT STATE DO YOU LIVE IN? am i missing this, if so I am sorry.

6 years is way beyond UCC sol in most states. if this is beyond SOL then you can afford to sit tight until they act right.

However, if you send them a signed agreement to pay (your PFD letter, written by you), in some states it could reset the SOL!!!

Instead, send them a letter CMRRR, stating that you have been reading some pamphlets at the AGs office, and heard a stories about CAs that say they are willing to settle and then sell the remaining portion of the debt to another CA or return it to the OC.

Tell them that you are interested in a settlement if the put the terms in writing on letterhead.

if this was 04, then it will fall off next year! tell me what state and relax.

Tue, 03/23/2010 - 10:28 Permalink
manniesmommie@… (not verified)

I live in the state of Wisconsin.

Tue, 03/23/2010 - 11:42 Permalink

what month in 2004?

6 years is the SOL in Wisconsin, after which you can win the lawsuit with affirmative defense! Tell them you'll pay 25% with deletion letter or just wait a year. this is coming off your report in 11, what is the rush? if you are in a hurry they will get you to pay extra.

I bet if you mention SOL to them they will fold up and go away.

play nice until after sol, but don't promise or pay. don't sign anything.

if you get served show up.

Tue, 03/23/2010 - 12:08 Permalink

I just looked at my credit report... The original creditor, T mobile, is not shown on my credit report. However, the CA is listed. It shows that the account was opened on 9-1-2009 by the collection agency., even though the original deliquency occurred in 2004. Does this now mean I have to wait until 2016 before any of this is removed?

Tue, 03/23/2010 - 12:55 Permalink

that would be illegal.

Look at your credit report, does it say when this item will leave your report?

which report is this?

Tue, 03/23/2010 - 23:34 Permalink

No it doesn't, how would a debt that occurred in 2004, be reset to date opened of 2009?

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:01 Permalink

where are you looking at your report? online? TU, EX or EQ or innovis?

and what month in 04 did this default?

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:13 Permalink
manniesmommie@… (not verified)

It defaulted in November 2004, I am looking on experian. I don't see it on transunion or Equifax.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:11 Permalink

ok the 6 years should expire in nov of 10. So was the last payment in nov 04? because the DOFD should equal 180 days past last payment, also did you DV this?

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:49 Permalink

Hi Cinnamngrl-

Thank you for answering my responses so quickly.... What does DOFD mean? Does DV mean debt validation. If so, I did not do this. I guess I clueless as to how a account that defaulted back in 2004 with the original creditor is now showing as opened in 2009 with a CA. How do I investigate this further to see when this account is scheduled to close? And can the CA do this legally?

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:17 Permalink
Anonymous (not verified)

No it doesn't, how would a debt that occurred in 2004, be reset to date opened of 2009?

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:10 Permalink

DV is a letter to the CA asking for proof of the debt. you can check my links or google

DOFD means when did the delinquency start. It should be 180 days after first serious delinquency.

RE-Aging is illegal, but you need to keep your records straight to fight it. For instance there are some states that say if you send a signed PFD proposal, they can reset the SOL.

The problem here is not that the CA opened there account in 09, which is normal but whether they are trying to change the SOL.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:16 Permalink

TITLE 47 > CHAPTER 5 > SUBCHAPTER IV > § 415
Prev | Next § 415. Limitations of actions
How Current is This? (a) Recovery of charges by carrier
All actions at law by carriers for recovery of their lawful charges, or any part thereof, shall be begun within two years from the time the cause of action accrues, and not after.
(b) Recovery of damages
All complaints against carriers for the recovery of damages not based on overcharges shall be filed with the Commission within two years from the time the cause of action accrues, and not after, subject to subsection (d) of this section.
(c) Recovery of overcharges
For recovery of overcharges action at law shall be begun or complaint filed with the Commission against carriers within two years from the time the cause of action accrues, and not after, subject to subsection (d) of this section, except that if claim for the overcharge has been presented in writing to the carrier within the two-year period of limitation said period shall be extended to include two years from the time notice in writing is given by the carrier to the claimant of disallowance of the claim, or any part or parts thereof, specified in the notice.
(d) Extension
If on or before expiration of the period of limitation in subsection (b) or (c) of this section a carrier begins action under subsection (a) of this section for recovery of lawful charges in respect of the same service, or, without beginning action, collects charges in respect of that service, said period of limitation shall be extended to include ninety days from the time such action is begun or such charges are collected by the carrier.
(e) Accrual of cause of action for transmission of message
The cause of action in respect of the transmission of a message shall, for the purposes of this section, be deemed to accrue upon delivery or tender of delivery thereof by the carrier, and not after.
(f) Enforcement petition
A petition for the enforcement of an order of the Commission for the payment of money shall be filed in the district court or the State court within one year from the date of the order, and not after.
(g) “Overcharges” defined
The term “overcharges” as used in this section shall be deemed to mean charges for services in excess of those applicable thereto under the schedules of charges lawfully on file with the Commission.

Tue, 04/06/2010 - 17:36 Permalink
lynnholland (not verified)

I spoke with a creditkeeper representative and he told me that a derogatory item can stay on your report for up to 21 years. Because you account can be resold and each time that it is resold it is another seven years from the date the other collection bought it.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 12:46 Permalink

lynnholland, creditkeeper is scamming you. I hope you report them to your Attorney General.

It is illegal for a Collection agent to re-age an account when they buy the debt. They are just telling you that to get you to sign up for their product.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 13:18 Permalink
lynnholland (not verified)

I thought that was kind of ridiculous.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 15:43 Permalink

Hi Lynn,

No, no accounts can get reported for more than the stipulated time. The time limit doesn't change each time the debt is sold off. Cinnamngrl is right. It is illegal to re-age an account. Only when the re-aging is done after a mutual agreement between the debtor and the creditor, can it be considered legal.

Thanks,

Aaron

Mon, 04/12/2010 - 12:16 Permalink
creditdifficulties (not verified)

I have a settlement offer from the OC. I have paid the first 2 of the 3-installment settlement agreement, which is $1000. The 3rd installment is for $3500, and I must pay it by May 2, 2011. In their settlement offer letter it says that once the settlement is paid, they will "consider the account paid in full" and "an update will be reported to the credit bureaus". After speaking on the phone on many occasions with customer service reps, they said that it will in fact read "settled for less than original amount" and/or "paid charge-off" on my credit report...very dishonest of them.

I am very concerned about a "paid for less than original amount" on my credit report, because it will really hurt my chances of getting a loan on a house in a few years (or at least will pay a ridiculously high interest rate if I even get the loan).

I would like to pay for delete. I am considering sending them a letter requesting a pay for delete. If in the letter I propose to settle with them for the same amount as in their settlement offer to me in exchange for a deletion of my account from the credit report, what are my chances of success? Should I send a non-disclosure agreement request instead? I want to make sure that what I am requesting that they do is legal, so that I don't automatically get denied out of hand.

If my chances are good, when is the best time to try it with respect to number of days past due?

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