The "SKINNEY" on the credit bureaus

Submitted by Shawpiro on Mon, 12/31/2007 - 23:32

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Hi Shawpiro,

This is really very informative :).

Wed, 01/02/2008 - 09:42 Permalink
Greggory (not verified)

I see this in the money talk forum also. Very good article. Thank you.

Wed, 01/02/2008 - 09:52 Permalink

Thank you for the positive feed back. I just posted another one of my rages on here so plese comment on it also. Your feedback is appreciated.

Fri, 01/25/2008 - 12:15 Permalink

I dint get that as yet? Will check soon. :)

Fri, 01/25/2008 - 12:28 Permalink

Mr. Shaw, you say that proof must be shown that the debtor does indeed owe that debt. What kind of proof are you talking about? I am guessing that if I want to dispute something, all the bureau needs to do is look up my number in the system see my account, print it out, and, bingo, there is the proof. I am guessing that you are saying that they need something with my signature, etc. verifying the original debt. If the card was obtained over the internet, what would be the process then? Also, if a debtor makes payments on a card then all of a sudden stops and wants to challenge it, the fact they made past payments would be proof enough that the debt was theirs.

This is all so confusing.

Sun, 02/24/2008 - 19:46 Permalink

The collection agency or original creditor need to be able to provide adequate proof that the debt is owed. This is more than just some printout of numbers that they will try to fancy you with if they don't have the proper validation. This includes contracts, past payments, etc. Alot of times they will verify with the Credit Reporting Agencies without proper proof. That is what makes the 1-2 punch so effective. There is another post on that method here on the board.

Sun, 02/24/2008 - 19:50 Permalink

Thank you diem I couldnt have said it any better myself. Thats what the credit bureaus try to do to the public. Most people dont know how to follow up and never get anything much taken off their bureaus. The credit bureaus are a deceptive bunch and will try and do anything they can to avoid what the law says they have to do. Lots of times on the second challenge they will come back with a letter to the person that the challenge is frivilous. You need to make them prove that you owe the debt and that they have proper documentation that gives them the right to report it. Dont worry they dont have it in probably 99% of the challenges. Thats why we use credit lawyers exclusively to help our clients. We sued the credit bureaus over 300 times in 06 and 400 times in 07. You have to learn to play hardball. If you dont you wont get a whole lot done. Just a comment here on part of your post diem. The way Ive been taught is that the credit bureau has to have the documentation and be able to provide that when something is challenged if not delete it. They are the ones that have to do all the leg work to the creditors to get the documentation not the client. Most of the time they wont take the time once they are pushed to get the documentation and will just delete the negative that was challenged. It costs them to much time and money to chase down all the paperwork just to keep this small debt on your bureau. You are challengeing their right to report it not the fact that you owe the debt. Thats what you need to focus on is their right to report the debt. They are a company just like any other company and not a branch of the government. Their are laws that they have to go by so make them do that.

Sun, 02/24/2008 - 20:25 Permalink

The credit bureaus are a deceptive bunch

This made me laugh - isn't the point of what you are doing deceptive? You aren't talking about removing information that is wrong - the goal of your method is to get legimate debt removed from a credit report by means of exploiting laws enacted to protect consumers. The Fair Credit Reporting Act isn't supposed to be used as a "get-out-of-debt-free" card.

Don't you think it's a bit of "pot calling the kettle black"?

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 14:16 Permalink

Im talking about makeing them do their job. They report things on your bureaus that they cant confirm and also they report things on your bureaus that arent correct. Even your zip code can lower your credit score. If they can confirm it good for them if they cant make them take it off. Its just that simple.

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:09 Permalink

Never knew all of that!! That's helpful information. Here's a question...............if you DID pay off an old debt and it STILL shows on your CR, what is the best way to 'challange' it, through the Credit Bureaus? Will they take it off ASAP, if you have proof you paid it off? Where do you SEND the PIF documents/reciepts, if the CA (or other companies) won't 'honor' the PIF??

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:26 Permalink

There are several articles here on how to do that. I work for an agency that does that for you and never have done gthe paperwork myself so you will actually have to do a little research on the right procedures. I let our lawyers do all that for me and my clients. I do know that if you dont know what your doing it can be a long drawn out process.

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:30 Permalink

I read the Website, Front page sounds wonderful!! However......for me personally, I REALLY can't afford an "INITIAL fee of $195.00 and $175.00, per month, for 6 months." Also...there were ADDITONAL fees, that I read, as well. How can ANY company GUARANTEE a 'credit fix?'

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:48 Permalink

Actually I dont think it would be proper for me to post our guarantee on here. It would probably be considered spam and I like this forum very much so I dont want to break the rules. Youl just have to look it up on our website.

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 17:53 Permalink

SHAWPIRO......your website DOES "guarantee" credit repair. Which means........if you CAN'T guarantee it, than you are posting incorrect information. I ALSO noticed you din't make ANY response about your 'memebership fees' (which I stated above..and is ALSO on the website). People, on this forum, are looking for help, NOT to get into MORE debt, by owing a 'credit repair' company, as well.

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:03 Permalink

'Shawpiro' are stating, on this post, that there is "NO guarantee." However......on your website (as I said before..) you "guarantee credit repair." Hopeful one of the MODS will read these threads, and determine if your 'information' is appropriate to be on this forum. In my opionion. you are trying to get money from people, like ALOT of 'credit repair' lawyers/companies.

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 18:20 Permalink

I copied this off of our website. I cut and pasted it here from the site. So it is exactly like it is stated on the website.

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 19:26 Permalink

AsI have stated in all of my posts you can do it yourself. I have never asked anyone to join or use my services. You are the one that wanted me to post everything here. I stated that I didnt know if it was acceptable or not. I also ask you to look it up on our website. I really dont care if anyone uses our service. I am here to help people with the information that I have and to pass it on to others. All I have stated is that if you dont have the time or the motivation to do it yourself that there are companies out there that can help. That includes mine if you so choose. I have never once asked for any business from anyone.

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 19:32 Permalink

Thats up to the individual. I have stated several times you can do all this yourself. But if you want or need help I can offer it. But Im all for everyone doing it themselves if they are so inclined. Some people dont have time and some just dont want to mess with it and thats fine with me whichever you choose. Im not here to fight anyone. Im just here to help and to let poeple know that there is help for them if needed.

Mon, 02/25/2008 - 19:50 Permalink

As I said, you REALLY can't blame people, who are trying to be cautious of 'CR companies'. Seems like there is, most of the time, a 'catch' to a;ot of them.

Tue, 02/26/2008 - 12:09 Permalink

I dont blame anyone for being sceptic about credit repair. This business has a bad reputation and that is one of the reasons I am here. But when I am attacked or feel that I am I have a tendency to defend myself. I hope you dont blame me for that. I have had a lot of possitive feedback from this and other forums and hope to keep it that way. My posts are designed to educate and help people. My web address is in my signature only as to offer a look at what we do and people can decide for themselves.

Tue, 02/26/2008 - 18:15 Permalink

Shawpiro we really appreciate your intention of sharing knowledge and information with us.

It is the sole responsibility of the consumer who takes any service from any of the credit repair agencies. When you know these services can be deceptive it is better to handle finance with caution. Do a lot of background research.

A word of caution will be "Do not ask or force anyone to give information about their business or explanation for their misleading words on this website."

Shawpiro's posts got deleted which he was apprehensive posting. I would ask our members to be more patient and aware of the rules of this forum.

Please go through the link given below.

Wed, 02/27/2008 - 09:11 Permalink

Thanks, I was 'replying', to the posts, I STILL din't know how to 'handle' them. Trying to ask LEGIT questions, from Shapiro, and getting alot of 'beating around the bush.'

Wed, 02/27/2008 - 15:35 Permalink

Once you challenge informatoin on your credit report and credit bureau responds back saying your dispute is frivilous and they will not reinvestigate.What is your next step to make them reinvestigate? Trans Union is very good at this tactic. This questions is for Shawpiro.

Wed, 02/27/2008 - 18:48 Permalink

I haven't seen Shawpiro on here in a day, or so. actual recieved, something in writing, that the " dispute was frivilious?" Never had that happen to me.

Wed, 02/27/2008 - 19:18 Permalink

Fasfeed I found something I think will help. This is from the actual FCRA.
(bold by me for emphasis)

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Wed, 02/27/2008 - 19:44 Permalink

If you repeatedly dispute and the entry is verified by the creditor, your future disputes will be frivolous; each dispute should be for a different reason.

Similar to the pull method of bumping inquiries, I've seen a few suggestions that advise people to provide a consumer statement, and repeatedly alter it...the idea being to make the entry cost (through labor) so much that the CRA decides it simply isn't worth maintaining.

Thu, 02/28/2008 - 00:31 Permalink

Morningstar is correct. You can generally get away with disputing for the same thing 2 times atleast. Your best course of action would be to use the 1-2 punch and then dispute as not mine, considering they don't properly validate with you. Most won't and most can't.

Thu, 02/28/2008 - 15:27 Permalink
Hawg Fan (not verified)

i used a firm recently to remove negative items from my CR and i received info from the bureaus and shipped that to the firm for 3 months i done this and it had dates of when they would be deleted it was years before the contesting of the items would make a difference.. but i have a question about reporting positives from companys that do not report your good credit.. for instance i have financed and paid off alot of furniture and other items from stores that dont report.. how can i report these myself?

Thu, 03/27/2008 - 05:18 Permalink

but i have a question about reporting positives from companys that do not report your good credit.. for instance i have financed and paid off alot of furniture and other items from stores that dont report.. how can i report these myself?

You can't. You can contact the finance company and request that it reports your account history to your credit report.

Fri, 03/28/2008 - 20:53 Permalink

Hello Hawg Fan,

Reporting cannot be done by us. You have to place a request with the company who holds your account.

Sat, 03/29/2008 - 06:04 Permalink

We were discussing this in another thread, somebody stated that their was cost involved in them reporting it and that is why they thought the smaller business's did not do it.

Sat, 03/29/2008 - 11:27 Permalink

Yes. I remember reading this thread myself. The OP should go through some old threads and continue here. he may get a lot of good info.

Sat, 03/29/2008 - 12:55 Permalink

I think that if they will report a negative then they should report a positive, kind of ticks me off that a company or business will report anything negative, but blow off the responsibility when it comes to reporting a positive that would help your report.

Sun, 03/30/2008 - 02:43 Permalink

This was my post [Can we add positive accounts] still at top of threads. Just added new post to it , in reference to some new material found on this issue.

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